Wednesday, March 23, 2011

So about that life expectancy thing...

Looks like some new numbers are in on the life
expectancy and death rates of people in the US.

It seems that people who were born in 2009 can expect an average life span of 78.2 years, up from the 78 years expected of people born in 2008. And out of the 15 leading causes of death 10 of them actually saw a decrease in the lives they claimed from 2008 to 2009

But ballgame calls me a gender thinker so let's get to the brass tacks.

For white males, 75.7 years.
For white females, 80.6 years.
For black males, 70.9 years.
For black females, 77.4 years.
See the problem? Well other than the fact that we only have numbers for white people and black people (I wonder if the full study covers everyone who isn't black or white) We can see that much like education men are lagging behind women. Yeah you could try to throw up smoke by pointing out the racial difference but considering that black women still outlive white men by an average of two years and white women outlive black men by an average of damn near 10 years I think we can safely say that gender is playing a role here as well.

I've talked about bit about how men's health is lacking and it looks like its still holding true now. Men becoming more aware of the health risks we face. Men gaining the freedom to actually care about our health without it being taken as a sign of not being a real man. Men taking care of themselves.

15 comments:

TitforTat said...

You might want to factor in the fact that male violence has a more profound(kill ya) affect. >:o

Danny said...

How so? (Am asking because I'm not quite sure how to respond to such a short sentence.)

TitforTat said...

Danny

I dont know you at all, so I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt. But honestly, from a purely violent and size perspective who on average is killed more often by their own gender, men or women?

Danny said...

Oh I was just asking if you were trying to act as if male against male murder was the leading cause of death or something.

On one hand male against male violence is something that needs to be addressed (but I wonder if you are only bringing it up in an effort to shut me up about showing concern for men in some other manner than blaming them for everything). In fact I've talked about it here a few times.

Then on the other hand I found this set of graphs that sort leading causes of death by gender. I looked up the leading 15 causes of death of all males of all ages and all races (as of 2007) and low and behold (on page 4 of that .pdf):

1 Diseases of heart 309,821
2 Malignant neoplasms 292,857
3 Accidents (unintentional injuries) 79,827
4 Chronic lower respiratory diseases 61,235
5 Cerebrovascular diseases 54,111
6 Diabetes mellitus 35,478
7 Intentional self-harm (suicide) 27,269
8 Influenza and pneumonia 24,071
9 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis 22,616
10 Alzheimer's disease 21,800
11 Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis 19,151
12 Septicemia 15,839
13 Assault (homicide) 14,538
14 Parkinson's disease 11,554
15 Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease 9,417

Murder comes in at a whopping 13th place, and bear in mind that's all murders so even the ones committed by women are in that number. (Also notice that its 6 places behind suicide and 10 places behind accidents) So is it something important that needs to be addressed? Most certainly is. Would it have the same impact as raising awareness among men about our health?

(Side note: check out page 8 and notice that in the leading causes of death among all females of all ages and all races murder is doesn't even break the top 15.)

TitforTat said...

Oh, trust me, I have a concern about male health. Have you ever considered that maybe heart disease in men may have some relation to stress? Not only the stress caused by nasty other gender people BUT also by our OWN gender. I dont know about you, but the beat downs in my life certainly didnt come from the Female perspective(though she could have had an impact on prevention). Dont even get me started on the rest of the list. I work in health care.

Danny said...

Have you ever considered that maybe heart disease in men may have some relation to stress? Not only the stress caused by nasty other gender people BUT also by our OWN gender.
Yes I have considered it. And I'll bet that stress also contributes to the suicide toll as well.

Look I'm not sure about your line of conversation here but I'm getting the feeling you have the impression that I'm trying to blame women for men's health issues (and for the record I didn't call women "nasty other gender people" or anything like that). Sure women play their role but its not all their fault.

As for my own beatdowns it was a pretty much a fair split between men and women. I've been teased, mocked, made fun of and all other kinds of stuff by men and women. Funny thing is I've noticed that a lot of times when I stood my ground to men they leaned back but women on the other hand kept going.

Look I'm not trying to act like men have no responsibility in how seriously we (don't) take our health. In fact by calling for us to start being more aware and taking better care of ourselves I'm trying encourage us to take responsibility.

TitforTat said...

Ok, that is fair, I have a bad taste in my mouth from being on several sites that seem to think that we are equal in how we project our anger. My challenge is that I dont think women project it quite as physically as we do. I apologize if I assumed you thought that way.

Danny said...

Its all good you're just trying to get some conversation going. While men and women may not be equal in lashing out physically one thing that I think is worth keeping in mind is that people tend to give women an extra benefit of the doubt on such things. This leads to people believe that women "don't do stuff like that" and trying to give excuses when they do.

desipis said...

Doing some quick calculations on those numbers, it appears at absolute most homicide can account for 1 year of the 5 year difference (assuming average age of 20 for male murder victim, and no female murder victims). Taking more realistic assumptions you could expect about 0.2 years out of the 5 year gender gap.

TitforTat said...

This is one of the points I have tried to make to some of the mens groups on line. Dont try to compare the physical violence inflicted by men as equal to what women do. It discredits them for any other legitimate beef in regards to how women are abusive. Im not saying they dont do physcial violence, its just that it is lunacy to portray it as comparable. Also, the louder these men get in regards to it, the more the masses will stop listening to the bonafide critiques of our present systems.

Danny said...

This is one of the points I have tried to make to some of the mens groups on line. Dont try to compare the physical violence inflicted by men as equal to what women do.
While there are some loud ones that do that I notice that critics of men's groups like to act like they are the ones talking about it. Its not that they are being discredited, its that they are just a quick an easy excuse to dismiss them.

If such critics were to actually take a look at what a good number of them are saying its a matter of women being more violent than people like to admit. With the way some feminists act you would think that the notion of a violent woman simply does not exist considering the hoops some of them will jump through to justify the violence women commit (apparently the ONLY reason women get violent is in self defense).

Im not saying they dont do physcial violence, its just that it is lunacy to portray it as comparable.
Sure if you mean comparable in terms of numbers or comparable in terms of reasoning. If you mean by numbers fact is I'm not sure about the official numbers because simply put people don't instances of women being violent against men seriously (which really leads me to suspect that its not counted anywhere near as often as it actually happens). If you mean by reasoning (as in why they did it) I'm not too sure about the current prevailing reasoning either. Apparently men ONLY commit violence against women to maintain control and women ONLY commit violence against men as a last ditch effort to save their lives.

TitforTat said...

Well, if you get dismissed thats pretty much as good as being discredited. Afterall, if they dont listen you cant get your point across. The short foray I had onto several MRA sites pretty much proves that point. I dont know where you grew up or what your experiences were but I can tell you this. I have seen much violence both from a receiving and dishing out point of view. I can say emphatically that it was almost always(99%) men doing it. I wont argue that women dont do physical violence but I still believe it is ludricrous to think that it even comes close to what we do. Now if you want to talk about emotional violence(which makes more sense), I would imagine the percentage is probably greatly slanted in their direction. Sticks and Stones...............even if that diddly is not true people still see it that way.

Danny said...

Well, if you get dismissed thats pretty much as good as being discredited. Afterall, if they dont listen you cant get your point across. The short foray I had onto several MRA sites pretty much proves that point.
Varying experiences indeed. This is a reflection of my time in feminist spaces. I'm willing to bet you've come across MRAs that, upon realizing you don't agree with them, will insist that you just don't "understand them" or "don't know what MRAs are all about" right?

I wont argue that women dont do physical violence but I still believe it is ludricrous to think that it even comes close to what we do.
In the face of those who would try to argue that women don't do physical violence (or try hard to dismiss) I'm glad you acknowledge it. However one thing that I think that gets lost between those who do try to say the numbers are the same and those who simply claim that people are trying to say they are the same when they are not are people who are trying to say that it happens more often than society admits.

Now if you want to talk about emotional violence(which makes more sense), I would imagine the percentage is probably greatly slanted in their direction.
You're probably right but again women's advocates try to dismiss that as well. Rather than saying that there are women who do engage in emotional violence they'll say that men who complain about it are just whining.

This conversation is enjoyable.

TitforTat said...

Danny

Im enjoying this convo too. Go check out my latest post and you might smile as you can hear of my experience, both ways. ;)

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